
We make no apologies here: Our goal is to help artists as they work to make the world a more beautiful and musical place, and to help grow audiences for those artists, both in scale and in depth. You might notice that our conversations with artists, producers, authors, and industry leaders are usually focused on those two main themes: artist and audience development. I experienced this first-hand for decades at the Cornerstone Festival – and I have dedicated my life to it for over forty years. And now, as an artist and author myself – and as a professor and director of music industry studies – helping the next generation of songwriters and artists find their way in this algorithmically addled environment is very close to my heart. I’m still here – working to make sense of it all right alongside everyone else.
This is what we believe:
We believe music is spiritually significant, not merely entertaining. All music participates in something larger than itself.
We believe human curation is more valuable than algorithmic convenience. Trusted guides with great taste and earned judgment matter more than a machine that gives you more of what you already like.
We believe gathering matters more than commerce, though commerce makes gathering possible. The transaction is credible because the curation is trustworthy.
We believe countercultural conviction can be held without apology and without aggression. We know who we are. We are not interested in being popular in the wrong rooms.
We believe the artist and the audience are equally sacred. The line between them nearly disappears when music is doing what it is supposed to do. The faith underneath all of it shows up in the questions we bring, not in the answers we insist on.
We are a virtual – and occasionally real-life venue, not a feed, with lots of rooms to explore. A gathering place with human voices at the center -- asking what the work is doing to us, where it comes from, and why it matters.
We still believe. So do you. Come join us.
Episodes

Nov 17, 2021
Nov 17, 2021
1hr 40 min
On this ground-breaking episode of the True Tunes Podcast, we explore fascinating corners of the current - and quite compelling - world of indie music being made by artists determined to use their work for spiritual purposes. Many are crafting tunes specifically for worship, while others are using their voices to shine a light on issues related to justice, theology, or life in general. Adam Lamah (Beach Chapel,) Stephen Lufkin, (aka Lovkn,) and Troy Culbreth (Cross Worship,) act as tour guides into this growing scene. We hear about their unique stories – and the emerging community of young artists blazing these trails without the support of traditional music business infrastructure. And when we roll out the True Tunes Jukebox, we let our guests load her up with records by Young Oceans, Lovelight, Taylor Armstrong, Them Parents, Antoine Bradford, Worship Mob, Paul Zach & Liz Vice, Andy Squyers, Wade Walker, John Mark Pantana, and then JJT tops it off with a classic track by The Violet Burning.
Beach Chapel came to our attention a few weeks ago when we got a message through the contact form at TrueTunes.com. Adam Lamah heard about True Tunes via an Instagram post by our previous guest, Natalie Bergman. He and his friends have been cultivating a vibrant indie community, both online and in-person, and the resulting music is often spectacular. After he attended the True Tunes Live events in both San Diego (where he shared a couple of songs) and Newport Beach, CA (where he interfaced with second-wave artists Mike Stand of The Altar Boys, Chris Brigandi of The Lifters and Wild Blue Yonder, and others,) we decided that we needed to get Adam on the show to tell us about his impressions of today's sacred indie underground. He quickly asked if he could bring a "plus one." Stephen Lufkin, aka Lovkn, has been a lynchpin in this scene for years. We talked with both, as well as Troy Culbreth, a visionary pastor, artist, community leader and songwriter from Cincinnati who is using his indie Gospel/Worship collective Cross Worship to bring people together across all kinds of divides. Together we created a 100-song corresponding playlist as well!
Young, fresh, exciting, idealistic, creatively uninhibited, and passionate, this generation of artists - many of whom are working way under the radar of today's music industry, might be changing the way people think about art, community, and worship. One of the main jobs True Tunes had 'back in the day' was to introduce our friends to excellent new sounds. We are wearing that hat once again - and it still fits!
See the SHOW NOTES page for a complete list of all of the music used on this episode, and remember to check out the amazing work being done by VisionTrust as they come alongside local heroes around the world to lift children out of poverty and give them a bright future. Click HERE to support the True Tunes Podcast with a secure donation of any size.

Oct 30, 2021
Oct 30, 2021
1hr 20 min
On this second installment of our conversation with Terry Scott Taylor, we take a deep and careful listen to his expansive new solo project, This Beautiful Mystery. Over two discs, and 21 songs, we uncover a wide range of thoughts, metaphors, emotions, and sounds - but what are the guiding images and ideas behind it all? Taylor has been perfecting his craft as a writer, musician, and producer, for over fifty years. On This Beautiful Mystery, he dug deep, so we will too. We'll explore his literary influences, the tangible ways his musical friends contributed to the project, and how Covid-19 and quarantines contributed to the entire experience. Whether you are already a fan or just enjoy songwriting brilliance, soulful eloquence, and a dramatic, half-century-long underdog story, this one's for you!
Full music notes, links to a mix of Terry's early musical influences and favorite records (curated by him for our weekly Spotify Gallery Stage Mixtape,) our own mix of songs from under all of his various hats, and a hidden mash-up of DA/Eddies/Solo/LostDogs moments created by Bruce A. Brown specially for subscribers to our email list, can all be found at TrueTunes.com/TST2 .
Sponsored by VisionTrust.org. Join us on the sponsorship journey today. Click HERE to make a secure donation in support of this show.

Oct 26, 2021
Oct 26, 2021
1hr 12 min
On the eve of the release of his long-awaited and almost overwhelming 21-song solo masterwork, This Beautiful Mystery, singer/songwriter Terry Scott Taylor gives us a remarkably transparent and vulnerable look into his creative and spiritual formation as an artist. It’s impressive enough for any musician to be producing the best work of their career in their seventies, but what keeps a “restless creative” pushing so hard, and digging so deep, after decades of relative obscurity and even direct opposition? Between his work with the ground-breaking band Daniel Amos, the collaborative Lost Dogs project, the light-hearted Swirling Eddies spin-off, or his more personal solo work, Taylor has set, and re-set, standards as a writer, an artist, and a producer of others’ work. And yet so few people even know his name.
In this first of two installments, we hear about Terry's roots, his influences, and his general formation. In Part Two we will explore This Beautiful Mystery in great detail; as both the present culmination of a well-traveled journey and as a roadmap for another generation of restless creatives looking to make soulful sense in these crazy days.
Full music list available on the Show Notes page at TrueTunes.com/TST1. Click HERE to make a secure donation in support of this show.

Oct 3, 2021
Oct 3, 2021
1hr 28 min
The successful indie folk/pop group The Gray Havens, originally from the Chicago area, have built their entire new album around a 66-year-old autobiographical reflection by a British theologian and children’s author. Blue Flower is the band’s most literarily specific, and yet accessible, project yet – and that’s saying something! We visit with songwriter, vocalist, and multi-instrumentalist David Radford to hear all about it, and then we push the Jukebox to her limits as we explore 50 years of music inspired by Clives Staples Lewis. What is it about this Oxford Don that allows his work to continue to inspire artists and songwriters today? We go further up and further in on this episode of the True Tunes Podcast! (Hear the special Spotify "mixtape" playlist HERE. Full Show Notes at TrueTunes.com/GrayHavens-Lewis

Sep 20, 2021
Sep 20, 2021
1hr 31 min
Lately, it seems Jesus not only rocks, but He’s also a movie star too. The Jesus Music, a documentary written, directed, and produced by The Erwin Brothers (“I Can Only Imagine,” “I Still Believe,” “Woodlawn,”) traces the roots of Contemporary Christian Music back to the Jesus Movement of the late ‘60s and early ‘70s via archival footage and new interviews with Amy Grant, Michael W. Smith, Kirk Franklin, Michael Sweet, Toby Mac, and scores of other Christian artists and insiders. Electric Jesus is the fictional story of a Christian heavy metal band and the young ingenue that stows away on their RV and manages to steal the show. Starring Brian Baumgartner (Kevin Malone of NBC’s The Office) and Judd Nelson of The Breakfast Club, Electric Jesus has billed itself as “the 80s Hair Band Music-Comedy You’ve Been Saving Yourself For,” as it has crisscrossed the US on a tour of film festivals. (True Tunes featured the cast on an earlier episode and produced an entire special podcast series on the film as well.)
True Tunes’ founder and host John J. Thompson is featured in The Jesus Music as an interview subject and historian and served Electric Jesus as Music Supervisor and as a historical consultant. On this episode of the podcast, Thompson brings Andy Erwin (Director of The Jesus Music) and Chris White (Writer and Director of Electric Jesus) together for a wide-ranging conversation about their films in particular, the subject of Jesus Music in general, and the challenges surrounding faithful art-making in the marketplace today.
And on the Jukebox, we contemplate a slew of Jesus Music that did not come from the Evangelical underground and did not stay put in the Christian marketplace. This look at “Jesus On The Mainline” seeks to expand the conversation about just how influential Jesus has been in popular culture over the last fifty years – especially as far as music is concerned. Was CCM music the only, or even most obvious path for people of faith to take?
(Don’t miss the companion article for this episode: Jesus Music Rediscovered? A Reflection by John J. Thompson at TrueTunes.com)
Full Show Notes available at TrueTunes.com/JesusMusicMovies

Sep 14, 2021
Sep 14, 2021
1hr 39 min
Gospel writer, producer, artist, and worship pastor, Myron Butler shares his amazing story – from getting his first cut with Kirk Franklin as a teenager to being a part of Kirk’s smash crossover hit, “Stomp,” all the way through to his recent tribute to the songs of the amazing trailblazer, Andrae Crouch. Myron guides us not only through the essence of Andrae's influence but of Gospel music in general. Then, on the jukebox, we spin the epic 1972 live Gospel smash, Amazing Grace by Aretha Franklin – discovering a highly intentional hybrid of progressive and traditional sounds that defined a new expression of the genre right when a generation needed it.
It's a long-overdue Gospel Music Meltdown on the True Tunes Podcast! Full show notes, with links, a complete song list, and photos, are available at TrueTunes.com/GospelMeltdown1 .Don't miss Myron's special Gospel Primer Playlist - also linked in the Show Notes.

Aug 27, 2021
Aug 27, 2021
56 min
On this unexpected Part 3 of our exploration of the music behind the first episodic drama about the life and ministry of Jesus, we get to hear from Dallas Jenkins himself. Jenkins created "The Chosen" after a devastating failure as a filmmaker. He didn’t know if he’d ever get to make another project again. We’ll hear about how that failure prepared him to approach "The Chosen" with a certain punk spirit.
Who is "The Chosen" for? Where is the harshest criticism coming from? Are there similarities between the way this – the most successful crowd-funded media project in history – is growing and the way Christian music detached from the mainstream, or is there something else going on here? And how has the careful use of music supported the storytelling all along? This “bonus episode” closes out our conversation about the music behind "The Chosen" by exploring some of the most challenging issues that face faith-based artists in the marketplace today, including some core questions about what it means to be "faith-based" in the first place.
Full Show Notes are available at TrueTunes.com. If you would like to support the show, please consider joining our Patreon community or dropping us a one-time tip and check out our NEW MERCH!
Special thanks to VisionTrust.org. Please consider joining us on the sponsorship journey today. Don't miss our conversations with the artists behind the score and songs of "The Chosen," Dan Haseltine and Matthew S. Nelson on Parts 1 and 2 of this series.

Aug 3, 2021
Aug 3, 2021
1hr 26 min
When Dan Haseltine agreed to score The Chosen, a new episodic drama based on the life and ministry of Jesus and his disciples, he immediately turned to his friend and frequent musical collaborator, Matthew S. Nelson for help. Nelson, an accomplished cellist, guitarist, and songwriter had backed up Jars of Clay, Michael W. Smith, and other Christian artists in the past, but is currently more associated with mainstream indie, country, and alternative artists such as RaeLynn, Sleeping at Last, and Cheap Trick. In this episode, we’ll hear about the musical and spiritual journey that prepared Nelson for this moment. We’ll also hear what it was like for him to learn on the job at his first scoring-to-picture project. In the end, we consider the sound behind the sound – the emotional and even spiritual role music plays in film – and what that might teach us about how we compose the soundtrack of our lives.
Produced by John J. Thompson and Bruce A. Brown for Gyroscope Productions
Full Show Notes available at TrueTunes.com/Chosen-Matt
Special thanks to @TheChosenTV @scribblepotemus and @thebanksnelson
If you would like to support the show, please consider joining our Patreon community or dropping us a one-time tip and check out our NEW MERCH!

Jul 30, 2021
Jul 30, 2021
1hr 31 min
Dan Haseltine (Jars of Clay) joins host John J. Thompson to talk about musical roots, finding a mission, and how past experiences prepared him for his current work scoring the massively successful and critically acclaimed television drama The Chosen. From the technical and creative challenges inherent in this kind of work to spiritual and theological concerns, this in-depth conversation is about listening carefully to the sound beneath the sound. Plus, in part 2, (coming soon) we talk with Haseltine’s musical partner in The Chosen, Matthew S. Nelson.
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Special thanks to @TheChosenTV @scribblepotemus and @thebanksnelson
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Full music notes, links, photos, and more on the SHOW NOTES PAGE at TrueTunes.com. If you would like to support the show, please consider joining our Patreon community or dropping us a one-time tip and check out our NEW MERCH!

Jul 22, 2021
Jul 22, 2021
11 min
Listen to better music, and listen to music better.
After a twenty-year break – True Tunes is back! The tools are different this time. There’s no store, no venue, and no sponsored stages at a major festival. What we have now are lots of stories to tell about lessons learned, visions caught, questions articulated, and community embraced. Join host John J. Thompson and his wide range of guests as we dig for the good stuff. And whether you were a part of the journey with us the first time around, or you’re brand new to this conversation, if you’re ready to dive into the deep end of the musical pool – where the sounds resonate in ways that defy our labels, then this conversation is for you.
Join us as we converse with musicians, songwriters, producers, and music industry leaders – from legends and obscure geniuses of the past to some of the freshest new voices emerging today. Some examples of the voices you’ve heard so far include Buddy Miller, Amy Grant, Steve Taylor, Charlie Peacock, Ian Fitchuk, Natalie Bergman, The Choir, Kevin Max, Waterdeep, Gungor, Liz Vice, Sandra McCracken, Eddie DeGarmo, Taylor Leonhardt, Jimmy Abegg, Michael McDermott, Christa Wells, Ella Mine, and rare archive interviews with Larry Norman and Rich Mullins. We also crank up our trusty Jukebox and listen carefully to some amazing music along the way. And we are truly just getting started.
So get yourself something to drink, pull up a chair, and make yourself comfortable, or maybe get your favorite headphones and head outside for a nice walk with us - as we listen to better music, and listen to music better, together.
On the True Tunes Podcast
Produced by John J. Thompson and Bruce A. Brown for Gyroscope Productions. Available on all podcast platforms. Full show notes and episode list are available at TrueTunes.com/podcast-show-notes/ If you would like to support the show, please consider joining our Patreon community or dropping us a one-time tip and check out our NEW MERCH!
